sunny1000
06-15 09:22 PM
I am a Citizen that is petitioning my husband of 5 years. We received a letter in March'08 to be present at an interview in Charlotte, NC. We gathered all of the required documentation to provide. Once there, and called in with the Immigration officer, we began our interview process. She was satisfied with all of the information, and tangible proof, we provided. She asked my husband for his passport in order to stamp his I-551 and that meant we were approved. Unfortunately, my husband's passport had been expired for some time and she could not stamp it. What do we do? He works and it will cause heartache and financial stress if he looses his job as the company has strict rules about what documentation you must present in order to remain employed. Please help. Since we have not received a letter from USCIS and the status is still pending, we are unsure of what we should do at this point. Any information you can provide will be greatly appreciated.
You can ask your husband to go to the nearest Embassy/consulate of his country to extend his passport. Check their website or call them to ask them how fast you can renew it.
You can ask your husband to go to the nearest Embassy/consulate of his country to extend his passport. Check their website or call them to ask them how fast you can renew it.
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Vel
01-21 08:33 AM
Thanks for your reply and I understand that AC21 can be used for job in same or similar occupation.
But my questions is that what happen if my GC applied thru Emp A for "programmer analyst" with 60K and now I am planning to change my job with Emp B as "Sr. Program Manager" with 100K?
Since my Emp A (GC sponsor) agree to continue the GC process, why do i need to invoke AC21 with Emp B?
Looking forward to have your answer on this... thank you so much in advance...
Vel
But my questions is that what happen if my GC applied thru Emp A for "programmer analyst" with 60K and now I am planning to change my job with Emp B as "Sr. Program Manager" with 100K?
Since my Emp A (GC sponsor) agree to continue the GC process, why do i need to invoke AC21 with Emp B?
Looking forward to have your answer on this... thank you so much in advance...
Vel
zdash
10-28 08:32 AM
As far as I know, your only options to get GC are:
-- DREAM ACT (which is not something you can control)
-- Marry a US Citizen (which obviously is something you can consider)
In the meantime, whatever you do, do not go out of the country.
Roseball,
I really appreciate your input and I think I know my situation pretty clear at this point. :)
-- DREAM ACT (which is not something you can control)
-- Marry a US Citizen (which obviously is something you can consider)
In the meantime, whatever you do, do not go out of the country.
Roseball,
I really appreciate your input and I think I know my situation pretty clear at this point. :)
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pappu
01-20 09:21 PM
The whole retrogression is very depressing if you were to look at numbers and predictions based on the numbers. This is the reaosn we need to work harder and contribute our time and money for this effort. If we cannot do it this year, then we can easily forget getting a greencard for the next 2 years and more. There will be no immigration bill next year due to presidential election.
This is all the more reason for us to go all out and get the immigration bill passed this year itself. We need all members to help in this effort. We have a strong membership of around 8500 members we can count on for support. However it is sad that only 154 members have thus far contributed in the past 1 week despite all the effort to raise funds. IV is prepared to go all out and get the work done, the question is ARE YOU?
This is all the more reason for us to go all out and get the immigration bill passed this year itself. We need all members to help in this effort. We have a strong membership of around 8500 members we can count on for support. However it is sad that only 154 members have thus far contributed in the past 1 week despite all the effort to raise funds. IV is prepared to go all out and get the work done, the question is ARE YOU?
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sledge_hammer
04-13 02:17 PM
What line of work are you in? Either send me a PM or post here.
I already transferred my H1 on 1st week of March within 1 day and worked on a 3-4 week project ( real Project from a good client) but now we are not been able to nail the next Project and this new company is very accurate about H1 ( they should be also ) - they will cancel my H1 after the last Pay stub.
They are trying their best and i'm trying my best but things not working out on H1B. I definitely have way more fit Jobs on EAD and that's why I posted this in the weekend.
If some real employer can transfer my H1 It will be quota exempt because I've I-140 approval.
I already transferred my H1 on 1st week of March within 1 day and worked on a 3-4 week project ( real Project from a good client) but now we are not been able to nail the next Project and this new company is very accurate about H1 ( they should be also ) - they will cancel my H1 after the last Pay stub.
They are trying their best and i'm trying my best but things not working out on H1B. I definitely have way more fit Jobs on EAD and that's why I posted this in the weekend.
If some real employer can transfer my H1 It will be quota exempt because I've I-140 approval.
rustum
07-14 04:24 PM
Moved residence couple of weeks back. Changed address online for my 485 case and added for spouse and child as weel?
Is it ok to continue and add spouse and child cases for address change along with my case or do i need to start from scratch with their A numbers? Any idea.
Is it ok to continue and add spouse and child cases for address change along with my case or do i need to start from scratch with their A numbers? Any idea.
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Vic
10-11 12:54 PM
My labor cert priority date is Aug 21, 2006 and my 140 EB2 was filed in Dec 20, 2006 and I received the RFE last week from NSC.
I did complete the masters program but did not have the official certificate in hand. On my certificate and official transcripts - the date of graduation is the day the certificate was issued - which is Jan 2007 - which is the graduation date according to the verbage.
I did complete the masters program but did not have the official certificate in hand. On my certificate and official transcripts - the date of graduation is the day the certificate was issued - which is Jan 2007 - which is the graduation date according to the verbage.
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iv4yarli
12-20 05:05 PM
Thanks for your reply. The lawyer did suggest that we could go for EB2 but I did n't know if it would be good idea. The reason I ask is when I look at the visa bulleting EB2 priority dates have retrogressed rather badly when compared to EB3 priority dates. I have been hearing rumors that EB3 might move faster than EB2. I am confused by why the priority dates for EB2 is worse than EB3. Could someone explain?
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anilsal
12-13 10:55 AM
Taking any action on 11+ million illegal aliens is no small job, It will take years.
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psk79
05-27 12:10 PM
Hi,
After reading about the pro's and cons of EAD e-file and paper based. I found that when you paper file I765, you DONOT get a fingerprinting notice and you DONT need to give FP. You will get your EAD directly. With e-file you dont send in the photos but u will have to go do the fingerprints and photo taken..
Can anyone confirm this?
Thanks.
After reading about the pro's and cons of EAD e-file and paper based. I found that when you paper file I765, you DONOT get a fingerprinting notice and you DONT need to give FP. You will get your EAD directly. With e-file you dont send in the photos but u will have to go do the fingerprints and photo taken..
Can anyone confirm this?
Thanks.
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vik123
07-11 12:03 PM
We should all write personal letters highlighting what happened and send it to out to congressmen/women. 2 Senators from your state and your house rep.
That will make a huge difference, recently an IV member sent a letter and s/he has already gotten a call from the office, with a promise to look into it.
I called my senator's local office, and they asked me to send a letter, the senator would send an inquiry to USCIS.
Again, LETTER. no email, faxes. The staff clearly told me "Send a letter", and the senator will respond to it. Senator goes thru every postage paid letter.
Yes,you are right.More the number of the senators sending inquiry, more the pressure on USCIS.Lawmakers sending inquiry will force USCIS to do something about this mess.
I thnk that next campaign should be "SEND THE LETTERS TO YOUR SENATORS"
That will make a huge difference, recently an IV member sent a letter and s/he has already gotten a call from the office, with a promise to look into it.
I called my senator's local office, and they asked me to send a letter, the senator would send an inquiry to USCIS.
Again, LETTER. no email, faxes. The staff clearly told me "Send a letter", and the senator will respond to it. Senator goes thru every postage paid letter.
Yes,you are right.More the number of the senators sending inquiry, more the pressure on USCIS.Lawmakers sending inquiry will force USCIS to do something about this mess.
I thnk that next campaign should be "SEND THE LETTERS TO YOUR SENATORS"
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kevinkris
08-16 12:36 PM
Hi All,
My employer filed my I-140 in Texas Service center and I-485/ I-765/ I-131 filed in Nebraska Service center. Is this OK?
When i asked for the reason they are saying they did intentionally. Please clarify.
My employer filed my I-140 in Texas Service center and I-485/ I-765/ I-131 filed in Nebraska Service center. Is this OK?
When i asked for the reason they are saying they did intentionally. Please clarify.
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StuckInTheMuck
04-28 06:40 PM
Pretty interesting ... usually you see such writeups for developed countries... I am happily amazed to see India taking such steps... Mera Bharat Mahan!
Traditionally there used to be, and still is, a high degree of correlation between the so-called "hunger map" and the map of disease "hotspots", the idea being that most common infections originate in areas of low sanitation and poverty, and they are unlikely to be found in rich countries (malaria and cholera continue to infect, and kill, millions in India and Africa, but are non-existent in USA and most of Europe). Even the recent bird flu hotspots are confined mostly in Asia. In this sense, swine flu seems to have turned this perception on its head, at least for now, and countries like USA, CANADA, and some in Europe suddenly find themselves somewhat "untouchable" (to be fair, USA is guilty only by association, by sharing border with Mexico, the genuine swine flu hotspot).
Traditionally there used to be, and still is, a high degree of correlation between the so-called "hunger map" and the map of disease "hotspots", the idea being that most common infections originate in areas of low sanitation and poverty, and they are unlikely to be found in rich countries (malaria and cholera continue to infect, and kill, millions in India and Africa, but are non-existent in USA and most of Europe). Even the recent bird flu hotspots are confined mostly in Asia. In this sense, swine flu seems to have turned this perception on its head, at least for now, and countries like USA, CANADA, and some in Europe suddenly find themselves somewhat "untouchable" (to be fair, USA is guilty only by association, by sharing border with Mexico, the genuine swine flu hotspot).
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BharatPremi
11-21 01:30 PM
Happy Thanks Giving to IV family.
Happy Thanks giving to USCIS,DOS, Homeland Security and FBI
Happy Thanks giving to USCIS,DOS, Homeland Security and FBI
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yabadaba
04-22 02:26 PM
This is ONLY EB2- India Priority dates from prior visa bulletins. Just FYI - no guesses no assumptions.
Jan-05 C
Feb-05 C
Mar-05 C
Apr-05 1-Apr-02
May-05 C
Jun-05 C
Jul-05 C
Aug-05 C
Sep-05 C
Oct-05 1-Nov-99
Nov-05 1-Nov-99
Dec-05 1-Jul-00
Jan-06 1-Jan-01
Feb-06 1-Aug-01
Mar-06 1-Jan-02
Apr-06 1-Jul-02
May-06 1-Jan-03
Jun-06 1-Jan-03
Jul-06 1-Jan-03
Aug-06 U
Sep-06 U
Oct-06 15-Jun-02
Nov-06 1-Jan-03
Dec-06 8-Jan-03
Jan-07 8-Jan-03
Feb-07 8-Jan-03
Mar-07 8-Jan-03
Apr-07 8-Jan-03
May-07 8-Jan-03
Jun-07 1-Apr-04
Jul-07 C
Aug-07 U
Sep-07 1-Apr-04
Oct-07 1-Apr-04
Nov-07 1-Apr-04
Dec-07 1-Jan-02
Jan-08 1-Jan-00
Feb-08 U
Mar-08 U
Apr-08 1-Dec-03
May-08 1-Jan-04
Jan-05 C
Feb-05 C
Mar-05 C
Apr-05 1-Apr-02
May-05 C
Jun-05 C
Jul-05 C
Aug-05 C
Sep-05 C
Oct-05 1-Nov-99
Nov-05 1-Nov-99
Dec-05 1-Jul-00
Jan-06 1-Jan-01
Feb-06 1-Aug-01
Mar-06 1-Jan-02
Apr-06 1-Jul-02
May-06 1-Jan-03
Jun-06 1-Jan-03
Jul-06 1-Jan-03
Aug-06 U
Sep-06 U
Oct-06 15-Jun-02
Nov-06 1-Jan-03
Dec-06 8-Jan-03
Jan-07 8-Jan-03
Feb-07 8-Jan-03
Mar-07 8-Jan-03
Apr-07 8-Jan-03
May-07 8-Jan-03
Jun-07 1-Apr-04
Jul-07 C
Aug-07 U
Sep-07 1-Apr-04
Oct-07 1-Apr-04
Nov-07 1-Apr-04
Dec-07 1-Jan-02
Jan-08 1-Jan-00
Feb-08 U
Mar-08 U
Apr-08 1-Dec-03
May-08 1-Jan-04
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rsdang
06-17 09:17 AM
Call customer service - select the address change option and when you get to a customer service agent give them the receipt number and they will verify the information on it. If it doesnt match they will advise you. Then you know if its your receipt number or not.
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goel_ar
12-20 01:45 PM
I am all up for it & won't mind doing it all...
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eb2_mumbai
10-09 04:23 PM
Effectively copy paste of Oct bulletien. Not suprised but definately disappointed.
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05-12 03:20 PM
Security Checks : How and Why
The U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) issued a Fact Sheet on April 25, 2006 regarding security checks under the U.S. immigration system. The purpose of the article is to explain the various types of security checks. As many MurthyDotCom and MurthyBulletin readers know, security checks have become a real source of contention, as they slow case processing for indeterminate periods of time. The fact sheet may be a reaction to growing unrest surrounding security check delays in processing both nonimmigrant and immigrant cases.
Background on Security Checks
All those who apply for immigration benefits must undergo criminal and national security background checks. The USCIS emphasized that these checks are performed on all applicants, and are not targeted at or against any particular group. These checks expanded after 9/11. The USCIS points out that most cases proceed without incident and in a timely fashion. They acknowledge, however, that some cases are held up for more than a year because of delays in the security checks.
Why Security Checks are Conducted
The background checks are aimed at identifying individuals who are a risk to national security, or are seeking otherwise to cause harm to the U.S. They are also designed to identify people attempting to abuse the immigration system. The USCIS will not grant an immigration benefit before the security checks are complete, regardless of the length of the delays. The USCIS states that they are working with the FBI and other agencies to try to increase the speed of the security checks.
We note that expediting the security checks not only benefits legitimate applicants who suffer from the delays, but serves the very purpose of the checks. The USCIS states that they have located various violent criminals, drug traffickers, and persons with links to terrorism through these checks. Clearly, no one wants dangerous individuals remaining within the U.S. To the extent that the background checks are being performed on applicants within the country, however, delays in the completion can serve to permit some of those applicants to remain in the U.S. lawfully during the time it takes the USCIS to complete the checks. For example, one who has a properly filed I-485 Application for Adjustment of Status pending is lawfully in the U.S. and is eligible for work authorization. If such a person is a threat, then a security check that drags on for a year or more only serves to extend that person's time in the United States. Thus, there is a security interest in not only performing proper checks, but in performing them in a timely fashion.
How Security Checks Work
The USCIS uses three types of checks as a standard background review for a variety of cases. They have the authority to conduct other sorts of background checks, if needed.
IBIS Name Checks Interagency Border Inspection System (IBIS) name checks are a generally quick manner of checking information from multiple government agencies that is in a combined database to determine if there is any information that is relevant to the decision in a particular case. The results are usually available quickly, but it may take more time to investigate any information revealed by the IBIS check.
FBI Fingerprint Checks Fingerprint checks are conducted by the FBI for many types of applications, but not all. Many of our clients and readers who are I-485 Adjustment of Status applicants are familiar with these checks, which provide any criminal background information on the adjustment applicant. The responses, according to the USCIS, are generally forwarded within one to two days. If there is a match, then the USCIS will get a criminal history sheet. This information will be reviewed to see if it affects eligibility for the benefit sought.
Sometimes, this information does not reflect the disposition or outcome of a particular crime. Thus, it is important for applicants to have proof, in the form of a certified copy of the disposition, in order to address the issue with the immigration officer. The USCIS notes that expungements or pardons, etc, must be reported. Anyone with a question about what has to be revealed should speak with an immigration attorney. It is important to understand that matters not considered to be convictions for general legal purposes, may be considered convictions for an immigration purpose. It also is important to have a good understanding of what happened in any criminal matter. We often meet individuals who are unable to explain how their cases ended - which is key in analyzing the impact a criminal charge has on the immigration status and eligibility for future benefits. Of course, we also strongly recommend that everyone comply with the law in all respects to avoid any criminal charge, whatsoever.
FBI Name Checks These name checks are required for many applications, and are different from the fingerprint checks. These involve a check of various law enforcement files and generally take about two weeks. The USCIS reports that 80 percent of these result in a "no match." This means that there is no matching record. For the remaining 20 percent, there is some match, and the matter has to be reviewed in more detail, in part to determine whether the applicant is the same individual as the person on record. These matters generally are resolved in six months. The USCIS reports that less than one percent of these take longer than six months. Such cases can be quite complex and sensitive and are not complete until all of the information is obtained and resolved.
Of course, given the volume of cases, one percent is still a great many people. Moreover, delays of six months, in addition to all of the other processing timeframes, can be significant and life-affecting. The impact on lives goes well beyond anxiety and stress, depending upon the situation.
Conclusion
The USCIS states that some delays are inevitable due to the sheer volume of cases. Background checks are considered pending when the FBI or other responsible agency has not responded or when there is a response that requires further investigation. According to the USCIS, the resolution of some cases is time consuming and labor intensive, and can take months or even years. At the local office level, "sweeps" of cases are performed to see which ones are cleared through the background check system and can be finalized. While the background check is underway, the USCIS does not share the information that has been uncovered or the status of any investigation with the applicant or the applicant's attorney.
We at the Murthy Law Firm appreciate this insight. We all understand the need for background checks on applicants for U.S. immigration benefits. The time that it takes, however, is a concern both from the benefits and security points of view. We would urge that ample resources be made available so that these matters can be resolved in a timely fashion. If there is a case so complex that years are required to find a resolution, the individual is potentially in the United States while it is ongoing. The potential risk makes this rather an urgent matter for our country and the safety of our people.
The U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) issued a Fact Sheet on April 25, 2006 regarding security checks under the U.S. immigration system. The purpose of the article is to explain the various types of security checks. As many MurthyDotCom and MurthyBulletin readers know, security checks have become a real source of contention, as they slow case processing for indeterminate periods of time. The fact sheet may be a reaction to growing unrest surrounding security check delays in processing both nonimmigrant and immigrant cases.
Background on Security Checks
All those who apply for immigration benefits must undergo criminal and national security background checks. The USCIS emphasized that these checks are performed on all applicants, and are not targeted at or against any particular group. These checks expanded after 9/11. The USCIS points out that most cases proceed without incident and in a timely fashion. They acknowledge, however, that some cases are held up for more than a year because of delays in the security checks.
Why Security Checks are Conducted
The background checks are aimed at identifying individuals who are a risk to national security, or are seeking otherwise to cause harm to the U.S. They are also designed to identify people attempting to abuse the immigration system. The USCIS will not grant an immigration benefit before the security checks are complete, regardless of the length of the delays. The USCIS states that they are working with the FBI and other agencies to try to increase the speed of the security checks.
We note that expediting the security checks not only benefits legitimate applicants who suffer from the delays, but serves the very purpose of the checks. The USCIS states that they have located various violent criminals, drug traffickers, and persons with links to terrorism through these checks. Clearly, no one wants dangerous individuals remaining within the U.S. To the extent that the background checks are being performed on applicants within the country, however, delays in the completion can serve to permit some of those applicants to remain in the U.S. lawfully during the time it takes the USCIS to complete the checks. For example, one who has a properly filed I-485 Application for Adjustment of Status pending is lawfully in the U.S. and is eligible for work authorization. If such a person is a threat, then a security check that drags on for a year or more only serves to extend that person's time in the United States. Thus, there is a security interest in not only performing proper checks, but in performing them in a timely fashion.
How Security Checks Work
The USCIS uses three types of checks as a standard background review for a variety of cases. They have the authority to conduct other sorts of background checks, if needed.
IBIS Name Checks Interagency Border Inspection System (IBIS) name checks are a generally quick manner of checking information from multiple government agencies that is in a combined database to determine if there is any information that is relevant to the decision in a particular case. The results are usually available quickly, but it may take more time to investigate any information revealed by the IBIS check.
FBI Fingerprint Checks Fingerprint checks are conducted by the FBI for many types of applications, but not all. Many of our clients and readers who are I-485 Adjustment of Status applicants are familiar with these checks, which provide any criminal background information on the adjustment applicant. The responses, according to the USCIS, are generally forwarded within one to two days. If there is a match, then the USCIS will get a criminal history sheet. This information will be reviewed to see if it affects eligibility for the benefit sought.
Sometimes, this information does not reflect the disposition or outcome of a particular crime. Thus, it is important for applicants to have proof, in the form of a certified copy of the disposition, in order to address the issue with the immigration officer. The USCIS notes that expungements or pardons, etc, must be reported. Anyone with a question about what has to be revealed should speak with an immigration attorney. It is important to understand that matters not considered to be convictions for general legal purposes, may be considered convictions for an immigration purpose. It also is important to have a good understanding of what happened in any criminal matter. We often meet individuals who are unable to explain how their cases ended - which is key in analyzing the impact a criminal charge has on the immigration status and eligibility for future benefits. Of course, we also strongly recommend that everyone comply with the law in all respects to avoid any criminal charge, whatsoever.
FBI Name Checks These name checks are required for many applications, and are different from the fingerprint checks. These involve a check of various law enforcement files and generally take about two weeks. The USCIS reports that 80 percent of these result in a "no match." This means that there is no matching record. For the remaining 20 percent, there is some match, and the matter has to be reviewed in more detail, in part to determine whether the applicant is the same individual as the person on record. These matters generally are resolved in six months. The USCIS reports that less than one percent of these take longer than six months. Such cases can be quite complex and sensitive and are not complete until all of the information is obtained and resolved.
Of course, given the volume of cases, one percent is still a great many people. Moreover, delays of six months, in addition to all of the other processing timeframes, can be significant and life-affecting. The impact on lives goes well beyond anxiety and stress, depending upon the situation.
Conclusion
The USCIS states that some delays are inevitable due to the sheer volume of cases. Background checks are considered pending when the FBI or other responsible agency has not responded or when there is a response that requires further investigation. According to the USCIS, the resolution of some cases is time consuming and labor intensive, and can take months or even years. At the local office level, "sweeps" of cases are performed to see which ones are cleared through the background check system and can be finalized. While the background check is underway, the USCIS does not share the information that has been uncovered or the status of any investigation with the applicant or the applicant's attorney.
We at the Murthy Law Firm appreciate this insight. We all understand the need for background checks on applicants for U.S. immigration benefits. The time that it takes, however, is a concern both from the benefits and security points of view. We would urge that ample resources be made available so that these matters can be resolved in a timely fashion. If there is a case so complex that years are required to find a resolution, the individual is potentially in the United States while it is ongoing. The potential risk makes this rather an urgent matter for our country and the safety of our people.
perm2gc
10-04 06:47 PM
I am from India and lived in Brussels, Belgium between 2000-2002 before being transferred by my Indian IT company to work in US on H1. Here are some facts on Brussels:
1. Quality of Life: Good place to live, friendly people, close to major cities like Paris, Amsterdam and London.
2. Cost of Living:
Apartment Rent: 900-1000 Euros per month
Lease terms: 6-12 months
Transportation: Public (Bus, subway, trains). You don't need a car.
Some companies offer a car+gas card as part of the overall
compensation package.
3. Salaries: Around Euros 35-45K per year (IT related)
Taxes: More than US (Around 30-35%)
Health Insurance: None
Vacation Time: 20-30 days an year
Education:Schools are mostly french medium. International schools
(English medium) are more expensive.
Desi/Indian population: Limited
4. Additional Information: Good to learn French as it helps in dealing with local people but a lot of them also speak English.
Good info..thks
1. Quality of Life: Good place to live, friendly people, close to major cities like Paris, Amsterdam and London.
2. Cost of Living:
Apartment Rent: 900-1000 Euros per month
Lease terms: 6-12 months
Transportation: Public (Bus, subway, trains). You don't need a car.
Some companies offer a car+gas card as part of the overall
compensation package.
3. Salaries: Around Euros 35-45K per year (IT related)
Taxes: More than US (Around 30-35%)
Health Insurance: None
Vacation Time: 20-30 days an year
Education:Schools are mostly french medium. International schools
(English medium) are more expensive.
Desi/Indian population: Limited
4. Additional Information: Good to learn French as it helps in dealing with local people but a lot of them also speak English.
Good info..thks
Green.Tech
07-18 01:39 PM
Folks,
Not to hijack the message posted by the OP, I have a question:
If I file 485 at this time with EB-3 labor approval, can i still upgrade to EB-2 later with the same employer (after 485 has been filed). I understand that the employer will have to redo the PERM and 140 but is it doable? At what stage will I be able to port the PD from my EB-3 labor in that case?
Anyone who has done that before? Ideas?
Not to hijack the message posted by the OP, I have a question:
If I file 485 at this time with EB-3 labor approval, can i still upgrade to EB-2 later with the same employer (after 485 has been filed). I understand that the employer will have to redo the PERM and 140 but is it doable? At what stage will I be able to port the PD from my EB-3 labor in that case?
Anyone who has done that before? Ideas?
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